Neuroscientist Onur Güntürkün on depersonalization, the rubber hand illusion and how synchronous nerve impulses create the feeling that your body is your body

videos | April 7, 2020

I have no doubt that my hand, my head, my nose belong to me. This body is my body, and possibly you feel your body to be your body and nobody else’s body. But possibly this feeling of ownership is a feeling that we construct every second of our life in our brain. It is not given by nature: it is constructed. But if it is constructed, can we change it? The answer is yes.

Let’s make a very very simple experiment. If you want to read more about it, just go to your computer and type in ‘rubber hand illusion’: you will see lots of nice videos of this very simple illusion. You can test it on yourself: it works. What you need is a rubber hand. It’s easy for you to see that this rubber hand is not your body: it is made of rubber, so it’s an artificial hand. So the experimenter asks you to just look at this rubber hand and meanwhile put your own hand behind a partition-wall, so you shouldn’t be able to see it. Now comes a person who has brushes in both hands. With one hand they stroke the thumb of the rubber hand, and with the other hand they simultaneously stroke your thumb. So you’re looking at the stroking movements on the thumb of the rubber hand and you’re feeling the same movements and the same touch on your real hand. Then they go with the rubber hand index finger and your index finger; rubber hand middle finger and your middle finger etc.

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I did not expect a strong illusion, but it was there after 25 seconds: I suddenly had the feeling of the rubber hand being my hand. And when you test subjects, you can show that the temperature of their real hand drops by 4 degrees within a minute. That means their body is reducing the blood flow in their real hand because the rubber hand is now part of their body. That means that you can incorporate something else into your body schema so fast with something so simple. The only thing that you have to do is to use the language of your brain.

So what is the language of your brain? The language of your brain is synchronicity of nerve impulses. When the visual aspect of stroking is synchronous with the felt aspects of stroking, you have nerve cells that are synchronously active: visual cells, some other sensory cells… These nerve impulses are jointly coming together in the brain, creating the feeling that this is part of your body. That means that you can change the way you think about your own body.

You can even go further. Swiss scientists have done a beautiful experiment. They asked subjects to enter their laboratory and put on virtual reality glasses. The only thing that these people could see was themselves standing in front of them with a back towards them. It’s very simple: there was a camera behind them taking the picture of them standing in the lab. So that’s what these people saw: they saw themselves standing in front of them. Obviously, they understood that this is just the picture of the camera and not themselves. And now comes the trick: the Swiss scientists took a long stick and stroked the subjects at their back. And what the people saw with their virtual reality device was the same stroking movement at the back of the person in front of them: a synchronous feeling of some other sensory input and the visual aspect of seeing this in front of them. And what subjects report is it feels like also standing there – being in front of you. This is very strange.

Does this also reflect diseases of the human brain where people, for example, after brain damages have changes in the way they perceive their own body? Yes, especially of the lesions of the right part of the brain. Some patients report that this is not their hand, it’s the hand of somebody else.

After the brain lesion people can have the feeling of not being able to accept their own left hand as part of their body. In most extreme cases some people say, ‘This left hand makes me unhappy, please cut it off, it doesn’t belong to me, it’s not part of my body’.

In other patients with epileptic seizures there are reports that these people say during the seizure that somebody moves into their body, so for a few minutes the left part of their body is in the control of somebody else, and it is somebody else, while the other part of the body is them.

All of that shows that we construct ourselves and this construction can change with lesions of the brain and with simple procedures like rubber hand illusions. That would now imply that the feeling of me, of myself, it’s something that can change in a second. There is also some stability involved. It’s a strange thing of being somebody else and being stable in me. What does that mean? It means the following: I give you an example from a person in Switzerland again who, unfortunately, died a couple of years ago. She had a genetic disease: she was born without arms and without hands, so never in her life she had a body schema including arms and legs. In other words, it’s not that she had arms when she was young and they were lost in an accident: she never ever had them. But now listen to what she reports: she says, ‘Sometimes when I’m having free time, I sit on my sofa, I put my legs onto the pillow and I enjoy my life. And when somebody comes into the room and sits on my legs, in that second my legs disappear, but when the person stands up, the legs are there again’.

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Scientists at the beginning did not believe her. They said, it’s just a fantasy of a woman who wants to have legs and arms. But she could prove that this is true. How was this proven? They put this person into a brain scanner and asked her to move her arms and legs. Her brain activity in the motor planning regions was identical to the brain activity of people with legs and arms: not in the primary motor cortex, but in the motor planning fields. And then scientists did the critical test: they used a system that is called ‘transcranial magnetic stimulation’ (TMS) with which you put a coil onto a certain part of the skull and then give an electric pulse. This is then translated into a magnetic field that goes into your skull and then again creates an electric field in your brain. With this you can activate certain parts of your cortex. They said to this woman, ‘Okay, look. Sometimes I will give you an electric pulse; sometimes I will not give you an electric pulse. You will not know when I give you an electric pulse and when I don’t give you an electric pulse, but you have to tell me whether your arms or legs move after one of these events’. So the person was sitting there, the TMS device on her skull, and let’s assume they said ‘Now’ but there was no impulse. And she said, ‘My arms don’t move’. And then they said, ‘Now’, but this time they gave an electric pulse, and she said, ‘My right arm moves’, ‘My left leg moves’, whatever the aim of the TMS system was. That means that she was born without arms and legs but her brain had constructed arms and legs, and they never vanished.

What does that all mean? It means that we are born with a body in our brain, and this body in our brain has a certain stability over life. But when we sometimes have a major brain injury, we can think that this is no longer our arm or hand, and when we speak the language of the brain which is synchronicity, we can alter the body map of our body within seconds. At that level I am a construction and you are also a construction every second of your life.

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Professor for Biopsychology at the Institute of Cognitive Neuroscience, Ruhr-Universität Bochum
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